[wlanfhain] Re: 255.255.255.255 als Broadcast-Adresse (war Re: Re: neue IPs olsr

Sven-Ola Tuecke mail2news
Mo Dez 20 14:54:36 CET 2004


Hallo Bruno,

gut - wenn alle Dafür sind. Meinetwegen. Bleibt das Problem mit den 
Firewall-Regeln. Anbei zwei Proben zur Ansicht (.11 = Default, .1 = Mit DNAT 
u.a.). Kritik nehme ich natürlich gerne entgegen...

Gruß, Sven-Ola

"Bruno Randolf" <br1 at subnet.at> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:200412201340.08127.br1 at subnet.at...
> hallo allerseits!
> ich sehe kein problem mit 255.255.255.255 broadcast adressen und denke 
> dass es
> einiges einfacher macht. die zeiten in denen broadcast adressen unter 
> linux
> probleme gemacht haben sind glaube ich vorbei, und wir koennen bei jedem
> geraet das OLSR kann von einem relativ aktuellen IP stack ausgehen.
>
> daher bin ich dafuer 255.255.255.255 broadcast adressen zu verwenden. das 
> wird
> den umstieg auf die neuen IPs einiges erleichtern.
>
> das problem mit dem NAT !172.16.0.0/12 ist natuerlich noch aktuell, aber
> eigentlich unabhaenging von der broadcast adresse (man kann auch ein HNA
> ausserhalb des 172.16... bereiches machen) - vielleicht sollte man das NAT
> sowieso gezielt fuer die anderen netze machen, die man NATen will (also 
> zb:
> NAT 192.168.0.0/24 und NAT 10.0.0.0/8), andere IPs haben sowieso nichts im
> netz zu suchen.
>
> lg,
> bruno
>
> On Monday 20 December 2004 14:28, Jens Nachtigall wrote:
>> > Hallo Jens,
>> >
>> > (leider ist mir schon ganz lispelig vom Lesen, naja...)
>>
>> wegen den Umlauten?
>>
>> > Also: eigentlich bin ich bisher gegen 255.255.255.255 als generelle
>> > Konfigurationvariante mehr aus dem Bauch heraus gewesen. Hier nun
>> > zwei gewichtige Argumente:
>> >
>> > a) Die "Ressource" 255.255.255.255 gibt es nur genau einmal im
>> > System. Verschwenden wir sie jetzt f=FCr die L=F6sung unserer
>> > IP-Adresse-=DCbergangsprobleme haben wir sp=E4ter keine
>> > Ausweichm=F6glichkeit mehr.
>>
>> Du meinst, wenn wir ein komplett neues Netz machen wollen, dass vom=20
>> Mesh-Protokoll her kompatibel zum Alten ist, wir aber trotzdem keine=20
>> =C3=9Cberlagerung zw. beiden Netzen wollten? Und das neue Netz 
>> m=C3=BCsste=
>> =20
>> unbedingt auch noch die 255.255.255.255 als Bcast nehmen, und nicht=20
>> z.B. 108.255.255.255 -- erscheint mir alles doch etwas unrealistisch.
>>
>> > b) Die Freifunk-Firmware hat eine Firewall-Konfig, die
>> > Broadcast-Empfang auf 255.255.255.255 verhindert (Ausnahme: Port 67
>> > f=FCr DHCP). Warum? Nun, es w=E4re sonst m=F6glich, dass ein fitter
>> > Linuxer sein Interface auf 255.255.255.255 konfiguriert und =FCber die
>> > gefakte Broadcast-Adresse zugang zum internen 192.168er-Netz erh=E4lt.
>> > Wenn Du mich =FCberzeugst, dass das keine M=F6glichkeit ist, werde ich
>> > diese Firewall-Regel aufweichen.=20
>>
>> Ich bin kein Hacker, aber wie genau sollte so ein Einbruch ablaufen? 
>> Mir=20
>> f=C3=A4llt da nichts konkretes ein. Lass einen Hacker doch sein iface
>> mit=20 255.255.255.255 konfigurieren, wie soll er da ins 192er kommen?
>> (Die gr=C3=B6=C3=9Fte Unsicherheit bleibt sowieso, dass sich im olsrd
>> ein=20 Sicherheitsloch befindet)
>>
>> > Es wird trotzdem etwas brauchen, bis=20
>> > alle WRTs auf diese =C4nderung umgestellt sind...
>>
>> Das ist a) immer so, b) sind in meiner Routingtabelle gerade mal ca. 
>> 10=20
>> Knoten und c) w=C3=A4re jetzt deshalb erheblich leichter, als wenn 
>> erstmal=
>> =20
>> viele mitmachen. Wenn jetzt eh auf 0.4.8, 104 umgestellt wird, dann=20
>> w=C3=A4re 255.255.255.255 ein Abwasch und es w=C3=BCrde ne runde Sache.
>>
>> =C3=9Cberleg's dir einfach. Wenn du partout nicht willst, dann ist es
>> mir=20 auch nicht so wichtig. Die wesentlichen Argumente sind imho=20
>> ausgetauscht.=20
>>
>> Jens
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